Baptizing the dead is wrong, but only slightly more wrong

When it comes to theology it’s not a matter of right or wrong, it’s just a matter of which is a little more wrong. For example, when it comes to free will vs predestination, free will is more wrong because predestination is just phrasing naturalistic determinism in absurd theological terms, whereas free will theology (like I was trained with) is based on nothing more than an attempt to make their god look a little less capricious. Adult, adolescent, child, and infant baptism along with the baptism of the dead is quite similar.

Mormons like to baptize children at the age of 8, but they’re also happy to baptize you again when you’re an adult on behalf of your dead friends and relatives*, like Mit Romney did on behalf of his dead atheist father-in-law, of course they’ll also do it for holocaust victims like Anne Frank. When you’re 8 and everybody else your age is getting baptized and everybody in your family and community expects it of you, there is no choice involved. It’s just a case of a young child doing what young children do: trying to please adults.

The only reason that baptizing the dead is any worse than baptizing children, especially in cases like what Mit Romney did, is that it completely dishonors the memory of a life that was lived and shows no respect for the decisions and values of the diseased during his or her life. The only redeeming factor in an act like this is the dead guy can’t be harmed by it.

Baptizing infants also isn’t really any better that baptizing the dead, it’s just considered mainstream. Neither has any choice in the matter and neither is even aware of it. The only real difference is that one is disrespectful of a life already lived while the other is disrespectful of a life to be lived.

Even with the groups that believe in “adult” baptism, denominations like Adventists and Baptists, they often consider 12 year olds to have reached the “age of reason” and able to make the choice to be baptized. This isn’t adult baptism, it’s adolescent baptism, carefully timed to try to hook the young just before their teenage rebellion begins. Of course this is a process that is complete with publicly taking solemn vows to be faithful to God and the church for your whole life.

I was baptized at 12, not because I had attained reason (that really took another decade), but because, at least at that point, the indoctrination had taken hold and in the Adventist church getting baptized at 12 is the thing you’re supposed to do. One ironic thing is that I first broke my baptismal vows less than a year later when I had my first Mountain Dew. I could go deeper into the various telling issues with adolescent baptism, but I covered that just a few months ago.

Baptism is fine for adults who are actually capable of entering into contracts and making commitments, the age of majority would be a good starting place for this.  For anybody else it’s just plain wrong. It’s not wrong in the sense of being horribly dangerous or damaging, since no adult takes the decisions they made as a child or the decisions made for them as an infant seriously. It’s just wrong in the sense that it’s laughably absurd, with increasing levels of absurdity as you move towards less and eventually no living tissue.


*On a side note, since Mormons believe that baptism should be the product of a free choice, but they are just fine with making that choice for the dead, and they believe that homosexuality is a free choice, you can now make the choice to be gay for a dead Mormon at All Dead Mormons Are Now Gay! If you don’t happen to know any, then one can be chosen for you at random from their extensive genealogical records. They’re giving the gift of eternal paradise to thousands, now you can give them the gift of a fabulous eternal paradise.

8 Comments


  1. Starting at age 12, many Mormons start going to the temple basement with youth group several times a year to do baptisms for the dead.


    1. Wow, I can say I’m surprised, but damn that’s crazy!


  2. As a side note, Hitler has been Mormon for years.


  3. When adult Mormons go to the temple, after their initiatory trip, they do the temple ceremonies for the dead. They do all the ceremonies by proxy for the names of people who have been baptized by proxy by the youth groups. The only time that adults are doing the ceremonies for themselves is on their initiatory visit. Many Mormon congregations (wards) encourage all their adult members to attend the temple at least monthly.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinance_(Latter_Day_Saints)#Temple_ordinances


  4. Actually, I think that child baptism is worse than baptism of the dead. Yes, baptizing the dead disrespects their memory, but it doesn’t actually do anything to those people. They can’t feel it and it doesn’t change the life that they lived. Once a child or adolescent is baptized, their family and others can hold that against them for as long as they want and use it as one extra reason to guilt trip their adult children when they leave the church. Some see going against those vows as as bad as going against marriage vows and getting divorced (and of course the eternal consequences would be seen as worse). Also, yes 12 is a common age to get baptized, but there are LOTS of people getting baptized before that. One good friend of mine was baptized at age 9. She was somewhat regretful about it, not because she didn’t want to be Adventist, but because it hadn’t really meant anything to her and wasn’t some special experience. I’ve even known those who were 12 or more to feel the same way.


  5. The kind of parent who would guilt one of their adult children for abandoning a childhood commitment is a manipulating piece of shit that would have no trouble finding something else to tie a guilt trip to if a baptism wasn’t an available option.



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